Friday, April 14, 2006

[Liverweb] Youth Cup Report

Liverweb Youth Cup Final Match Report

Liverpool 3 Manchester City 0

Liverpool : Roberts, Darby (C), Hobbs, Antwi, Threlfall, Anderson,
Barnett, Flynn, Barratt, Lindfield, Hammill

Subs: Hammill for Roque (76), Spearing for Flynn (87)

Subs Unused : Mimms, Nardiello, Ryan

Att : 12,744

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The Reds took a giant step towards winning this years FA Youth Cup
with a comfortable 3-0 win at Anfield. The scoreline could have been
even higher as ll had it not been for the excellent form of
Matthewson in the City goal.

The Reds got the game underway attacking the packed Kop end in the
first half. It was City though who mounted the first kind of attack
towards their travelling fans. Godwin Antwi stepped in though to
clear the danger before it got near Dave Roberts.

On six minutes Robbie Threlfall got a little bit too excited with his
free kick which he sent sailing up the Kop. Just over a minute later
and City keeper Matthewson was given quite a poor back pass which he
just managed to clear with Flynn bearing down on him.

The Reds were starting to settle down now in the game and boss the
play. On nine minutes Lindfield set up Paul Anderson who saw his
overhead kick go just wide of the goal. Charlie Barnett and Ryan
Flynn were gaining control through the middle of the pitch and it was
allowing some good build up play for the Reds on either side of the
pitch.

On seventeen minutes the Reds were awarded a free kick out on the
left. Charlie Barnett whipped this in superbly and Antwi saw the ball
just cleared from his head for a corner ball. A very big piece of the
night was down to the sheer quality of the set piece balls Barnett
played in. From this corner he whipped in to the near post where
Robbie Threlfall headed down and then stabbed home the loose bal. The
lead was very much deserved for the Reds.

The goal seemed to put life in to City and they went straight on the
attack and so nearly got the scores level straight away. Etuhu
somehow couldn't get the definitive touch on the ball and the chance
went begging. Midway through the half and the Reds were on the attack
once again. Paul Barratt crossed in and Flynn set Anderson up but his
shot was deflected out for a corner.

Minutes later and a very fast move from the Reds gained them great
ground. Anderson was set free down the right side and he looked up
and squared a great cross for Barratt but his shot from six yards out
was straight at the keeper. A great opportunity gone begging.

Dave Roberts was called in to action on twenty seven minutes and it
was great reflexes that helped him out this time. A corner ball fell
to Etuhu twelve yards out and he shot through a bunch of players but
Roberts managed to save the shot.

The Red were two goals to the good just after the half hour and it
was a fine bit of play from Paul Anderson once again that made it.
Anderson intercepted a ball out right and ran inside with it. As he
thought about shooting he saw Ryan Flynn coming in and set him u and
without breaking stride Flynn side footed the ball home past the
keeper.

It nearly got better just two minutes later when Barratt put
Lindfield in down the right and his cross to Hammill was flicked just
over the bar. Six minutes before half time and the Reds were on the
attack again and Threlfall crossed in from the left side to Anderson
who volleyed on goal. Once again though the keeper pulled off a good
save and the chance went begging.

The two sides came out for the second half and this had been pretty
much one way traffic so far with the Reds threatening to walk away
with the final in this leg alone. To their credit though City dug
deep and played well in the second half without creating a shed load
of chances.

The Reds continued to create good chances though and just two minutes
in Paul Anderson saw his header well saved on the line and luckily
cleared away. On fifty six minutes there was a wake up call for the
Reds as Sturridge hit the outside of the post from six yards. The
striker had more time than he realised as the Reds' defence seemed to
be at sixes and sevens.

On sixty three minutes Dave Roberts was called in to action as he
saved a City shot from the edge of the area. The shot took a
deflection on the way so Roberts had to adjust quickly. As he has
shown en route to the final though Roberts is a decent keeper.

On seventy one minutes there was a real scare for the Reds from a
City corner. It didn't seem a worry to begin with as it dropped for
Darby to clear. His clearance though cannoned off a City player and
flew towards goal but Antwi cleared off the line. Having not cleared
the area a second shot came in which Antwi again cleared off the line
and then a third shot was tipped around the post by Roberts.

On seventy five minutes there was a spectacular effort from Anderson
which deserved a goal. Barratt crossed a great ball in and Anderson
managed to find some room. He acrobatically volleyed a side scissor
kick and connected superbly only to see the ball hit the bar and go
to safety. This would have been a cracking goal had it gone in.

Mike Roque came on for Adam Hammill on seventy six minutes as the
Reds seemed to aim to close the game off a bit more and protect the
two goal cushion. Hammill had faded out of the game a lot though and
the change was needed.

The Reds made it three nil on eighty three minutes thanks to that sub
Roque. He rose un marked to head home another quality Barnett corner.
That goal could be the one that makes the second leg that bit harder
for City to come back in and on the night it was all the Reds
deserved. They had played some great football at times and created
tonnes of chances.

With three minutes to go Jay Spearing was introduced for the cramped
up Ryan Flynn. Spearing walked straight on and did exactly what he
does best and bossed every player in to specific roles.

As the final whistle sounded the Reds celebrated a great game and a
great lead in the first leg of the final. With the second leg just a
week away the Reds have time to work on some specific game plan to
ensure Stephen Darby gets his hands on the FA Youth Cup.

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[Liverweb] Youth Cup Final Report

Liverweb Youth Cup Final Match Report

Liverpool 3 Manchester City 0

Liverpool : Roberts, Darby (C), Hobbs, Antwi, Threlfall, Anderson, Barnett,
Flynn, Barratt, Lindfield, Hammill

Subs: Hammill for Roque (76), Spearing for Flynn (87)

Subs Unused : Mimms, Nardiello, Ryan

Att : 12,744

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The Reds took a giant step towards winning this years FA Youth Cup with a
comfortable 3-0 win at Anfield. The scoreline could have been even higher
as ll had it not been for the excellent form of Matthewson in the City goal.

The Reds got the game underway attacking the packed Kop end in the first
half. It was City though who mounted the first kind of attack towards their
travelling fans. Godwin Antwi stepped in though to clear the danger before
it got near Dave Roberts.

On six minutes Robbie Threlfall got a little bit too excited with his free
kick which he sent sailing up the Kop. Just over a minute later and City
keeper Matthewson was given quite a poor back pass which he just managed to
clear with Flynn bearing down on him.

The Reds were starting to settle down now in the game and boss the play. On
nine minutes Lindfield set up Paul Anderson who saw his overhead kick go
just wide of the goal. Charlie Barnett and Ryan Flynn were gaining control
through the middle of the pitch and it was allowing some good build up play
for the Reds on either side of the pitch.

On seventeen minutes the Reds were awarded a free kick out on the left.
Charlie Barnett whipped this in superbly and Antwi saw the ball just
cleared from his head for a corner ball. A very big piece of the night was
down to the sheer quality of the set piece balls Barnett played in. From
this corner he whipped in to the near post where Robbie Threlfall headed
down and then stabbed home the loose bal. The lead was very much deserved
for the Reds.

The goal seemed to put life in to City and they went straight on the attack
and so nearly got the scores level straight away. Etuhu somehow couldn't
get the definitive touch on the ball and the chance went begging. Midway
through the half and the Reds were on the attack once again. Paul Barratt
crossed in and Flynn set Anderson up but his shot was deflected out for a
corner.

Minutes later and a very fast move from the Reds gained them great ground.
Anderson was set free down the right side and he looked up and squared a
great cross for Barratt but his shot from six yards out was straight at the
keeper. A great opportunity gone begging.

Dave Roberts was called in to action on twenty seven minutes and it was
great reflexes that helped him out this time. A corner ball fell to Etuhu
twelve yards out and he shot through a bunch of players but Roberts managed
to save the shot.

The Red were two goals to the good just after the half hour and it was a
fine bit of play from Paul Anderson once again that made it. Anderson
intercepted a ball out right and ran inside with it. As he thought about
shooting he saw Ryan Flynn coming in and set him u and without breaking
stride Flynn side footed the ball home past the keeper.

It nearly got better just two minutes later when Barratt put Lindfield in
down the right and his cross to Hammill was flicked just over the bar. Six
minutes before half time and the Reds were on the attack again and
Threlfall crossed in from the left side to Anderson who volleyed on goal.
Once again though the keeper pulled off a good save and the chance went
begging.

The two sides came out for the second half and this had been pretty much
one way traffic so far with the Reds threatening to walk away with the
final in this leg alone. To their credit though City dug deep and played
well in the second half without creating a shed load of chances.

The Reds continued to create good chances though and just two minutes in
Paul Anderson saw his header well saved on the line and luckily cleared
away. On fifty six minutes there was a wake up call for the Reds as
Sturridge hit the outside of the post from six yards. The striker had more
time than he realised as the Reds' defence seemed to be at sixes and sevens.

On sixty three minutes Dave Roberts was called in to action as he saved a
City shot from the edge of the area. The shot took a deflection on the way
so Roberts had to adjust quickly. As he has shown en route to the final
though Roberts is a decent keeper.

On seventy one minutes there was a real scare for the Reds from a City
corner. It didn't seem a worry to begin with as it dropped for Darby to
clear. His clearance though cannoned off a City player and flew towards
goal but Antwi cleared off the line. Having not cleared the area a second
shot came in which Antwi again cleared off the line and then a third shot
was tipped around the post by Roberts.

On seventy five minutes there was a spectacular effort from Anderson which
deserved a goal. Barratt crossed a great ball in and Anderson managed to
find some room. He acrobatically volleyed a side scissor kick and connected
superbly only to see the ball hit the bar and go to safety. This would have
been a cracking goal had it gone in.

Mike Roque came on for Adam Hammill on seventy six minutes as the Reds
seemed to aim to close the game off a bit more and protect the two goal
cushion. Hammill had faded out of the game a lot though and the change was
needed.

The Reds made it three nil on eighty three minutes thanks to that sub
Roque. He rose un marked to head home another quality Barnett corner. That
goal could be the one that makes the second leg that bit harder for City to
come back in and on the night it was all the Reds deserved. They had played
some great football at times and created tonnes of chances.

With three minutes to go Jay Spearing was introduced for the cramped up
Ryan Flynn. Spearing walked straight on and did exactly what he does best
and bossed every player in to specific roles.

As the final whistle sounded the Reds celebrated a great game and a great
lead in the first leg of the final. With the second leg just a week away
the Reds have time to work on some specific game plan to ensure Stephen
Darby gets his hands on the FA Youth Cup.

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[Liverweb] Blackburn Rovers Match Preview

Liverweb Match Preview

Opponents : Blackburn Rovers

Date : Sunday April 16 : 14.30

Venue : Ewood Park

TV Coverage : Sky Sports 1, C+ Sport D/F/N/S, ART Sport 4, Supersport 8,
Supersport 3SA, TV8 Turkey, Galaxie Sport, Sport 2 HU, TPS Foot, Megasport,
Sport TV, Diema Xtra, Diema 2, C+ Sport (Poland), Sky Sport Italia 1, Sky
Calcio 1, Sport TV

Tape Delay : Fox Sports World, Fox Soccer, C+ Spain, Telesport Ro

Internet Stream : RTS 2 Serbia

Head to Head - Premiership Head to Head

LAST corresponding Fixture : Blackburn 2 Liverpool 2

Squads : On loan red Florent Sinama Pongolle is not eligible for this and
Tugay is carrying a calf injury for Rovers

Liverpool : Reina, Dudek, Finnan, Hyypia, Riise, Carragher, Warnock,
Traore, Morientes, Fowler, Crouch, Gerrard, Sissoko, Hamann, Garcia,
Kewell, Kromkamp, Cisse, Alonso

Blackburn : Friedel, Enckelman, Neill, Nelsen, Pedersen, Reid, Gray,
Savage, Todd, Khizanishvili, Bentley, Kuqi, Emerton, Dickov, Bellamy,
Mokoena, Matteo, Peter

Team Stats : This fixture has goals in it. You have to go back to 199697
season to find the last time the Reds failed to score at Ewood Park.
Blackburn have scored in every league game since 1946-47. That game
actually finished 0-0. One of only three times that scoreline has happened
away from home in the league.

The Reds are looking to complete their eleventh league double over Rovers.
It be the fourth in the Premiership alone and first since 2003-04.

The Reds are looking for one win to all but guarantee a third placed finish
this season. Blackburn however are looking for a win as they look to secure
European football of some form next season.

Blackburn haven't lost at home since early December when Everton beat them
2-0. However they did draw last time out at home to Wigan.

In all games Blackburn have lost just once in the last eight. The Reds have
won their last six games though which includes three away wins since losing
at Arsenal in mid March.

Player Stats : Harry Kewell will be looking to play his 80th league game
for the Reds.

Jose Reina will be looking to play his 50th game for the Reds. In his 49
games so far he has kept clean sheets in 29 of them. In the remaining games
he has conceded 29 times. Nineteen of his clean sheets have come in league
games alone.

Steven Gerrard will be playing his 50th game of the season for the Reds. He
currently leads the scoring charts for us this season with 19.

Referee : Alan Wiley - has taken charge of 28 league games this season and
shown 85 yellow cards in the process and five Red ones. In four Liverpool
games this year we have won three and lost one. That loss came away from
home and saw Jose Reina sent off.

He hasn't taken charge of Blacburn since the beginning of the season down
at West Ham where Rovers lost and saw Paul Dickov sent off for a wil lunge.

Betting : Liverpool 13/10, Blackburn 7/4, Draw : 21/10

Liverweb Prediction : Blackburn Rovers 1 Liverpool 2

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006

[Liverweb] Reserves win - archive update

Liverweb Reserves Match Analysis

Blackburn Rovers 1 Liverpool 2

Liverpool : Dudek, Barragan, Smith, Antwi, O'Donnell, Hobbs (C),
Anderson, Roque, Calliste, Guthrie, Hammill

Subs Used : Foy for Guthrie (80), Flynn for Roque (81), Idrizaj for
Calliste (85)

Subs Unused : Martin, Woods

Ref : P.Quinn

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The Reds reserves beat Blackburn by two goals to one thanks to a
double from Ramon Calliste. A stoppage time goal from on loan Red
Sinama Pongolle could not rescue anything for Rovers.

The Reds were missing Lee Peltier through suspension but were able
to welcome Besian Idrizaj back from injury and he took his place on
the bench.

Blackburn had some early chances in the game but the eye of Shefki
Juqi wasn't quite in on each occassion. The Reds had the ball in the
net on twelve minutes when Calliste slotted hom an Anderson cross
but the offside flag had gone up. Three minutes later and Adam
Hammill had penalty appeals turned down.

The Reds were ahead after just 24 minutes when Ramon Calliste
latched on to a Guthrie through ball and finished cooly past Lee in
the Rovers goal. Calliste doubled the lead just six minutes later
and the Reds were in control of the game.

The Reds could have gone further ahead before half time as both
Anderson and Guthrie nearly scored. It hadn't been all one way
traffic though as just before the Anderson chance he had cleared off
his own line.

The second half saw fewer chances and it wasn't until stoppage time
at the end of the game when Rovers pulled a goal back. Florent
Sinama Pongolle who had earlier missed a good opportunity slotted
the ball home from close range. With time up though Rovers had no
way back in to the game.

Also - I have just added a team picture for the 1956-57 season.
This has come courtesy of Colin V who is a regular visitor to the
website.

There are now a huge number of team groups in the season archive and
if you can help fill in any of the gaps then please let me know.
The first one back which is empty is 1960-61.

Andy
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Monday, April 10, 2006

[Liverweb] Reserves in Action

The Reds play Blackburn Rovers reserves tonight at Ewood Park

Blackburn lie four places and eight points behind the Reds in the
reserves league at the moment.

There are a few players to watch at Blackburn this season. The one
player in the Rovers side though that will jump out is Florent
Sinama Pongolle who is one loan from us to Rovers until the end of
the season. Flo is partnered up front with Shefki Kuqi who again is
another Rovers first teamer.

Liverpool Reserve team

Jerzy Dudek
Antonio Barragan
James Smith
Godwin Antwi
Danny O'Donnell
Jack Hobbs
Paul Anderson
Miki Roque
Ramon Calliste
Danny Guthrie
Adam Hammill.

Subs:

Robbie Foy
David Martin
Calum Woods
Besian Idrizaj
Ryan Flynn.

Andy
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[Liverweb] Bolton Match Report

Liverweb Match Report

Liverpool 1 Bolton Wanderers 0

Liverpool : Reina, Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Riise, Gerrard(C),
Alonso, Cisse, Kewell, Fowler, Crouch

Subs Used : Garcia for Cisse (45), Hamann for Fowler (74), Traore
for Kewell (87)

Subs Unused : Dudek, Sissoko

Ref : Rob Styles

Att : 44,194

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The Reds nailed another three points thanks to Birthday Boy Robbie
Fowler. Fowler struck in first half stoppage time and it proved to
be the only goal of the game. Other results of the weekend probably
mean that one more win from the final four games will be enough now
for the Reds this season to finish third at least.

The Reds got the game started defending the Kop in the first half
but it was Bolton who tried to push forward early on. The first
minutes seemed to be a case of the ball just bobbing around in the
air for ages. No-one seemed to want to get the ball down and pass it.

Bolton had a great chance on eight minutes to score and only expert
keeping from Reina prevented the goal. Stelios nipped in behind the
defence after a sloppy ball from Alonso. His low shot to the far
post though was grabbed by Reina and cleared by Carragher.

The first half was in truth dull really. Cisse was a complete waste
of space on the right for the Reds and just looked like he couldn't
be bothered. That had the effect that the Reds pushed most things
down the left where Kewell at least looked like he wanted to do
things. He ended up on the right side as well as the half went on as
Cisse went left but it just moved the attack from left to right
really.

Kewell had two efforts in the first half. The first on the half hour
went miles over the bar as it just didn't seemed to sit up as he hit
the shot. His second came on thirty seven minutes but his shot
across the box went just past the far post with the strikers just
missing turning the ball in.

On forty one minutes Steven Gerrard went down in the box claiming a
penalty and from my angle it looked similar to the one in Istanbul
in a way. He certainly seemed to be impeded but Rob Styles waved
play on. Of course based on the first half performance of him and
his assistant I don't know if knows the rules anyway. At one point
the linesman on the centenary side flagged for offside from a throw
in. Not a single person could understand this but the ref somehow
backed his assistant despite Benitez practically running on the
pitch with a rule book to remind him of what should happen.

The deadlock was broken in first half stoppage time. That stoppage
time which had been added because Bolton had wasted so much time at
throw in's etc; Fowler headed on a ball for Crouch who took the ball
down and laid it back to Fowler who instantly smashed it home. This
just changed the half time team talk around a bit and a great goal
from a great striker.

Half time saw Garcia warming up and he was obviously ready to come
on and thankfully Cisse didn't re-appear for the half. The change
was made and Bolton were ready to kick off but play wasn't allowed
to start. Referee Rob Styles was told more than once to hold it by
the TV bloke on the sidelines - presumably the adverts were still
on. Not of course that football these days is ruled by the TV of
course.

The second half was brighter than the first it has to be said and
within minutes Garcia had got through more work than Cisse in the
whole of his first half. Garcia came on like a breath of fresh air.
Five minutes in to the half Garcia hit the side netting as he tried
to put the game beyond doubt. Crouch then fired and overhead kick
over the bar minutes later. A minute later Alonso hit the post with
a shot and it was certainly looking like the Reds would increase
their goal tally.

On fifty five minutes Pepe Reina was called in to action as Bolton
sub Pedersen ran in behind the Reds defence. Reina though was out
superbly well to smother the ball away and cleared for a throw in.
It rarely looked like Bolton were going to trouble the Reds at the
back. At the other end it seemed we were happy to hit Bolton on the
break. Fowler was getting through superb work up front as he hassled
and harried both centre backs. It often paid off as well with Bolton
giving up possession easily.

On eighty two minutes the Reds had a great break on the counter
attack. Kewell had the ball and was sprinting clear whilst Gerrard
was also streaking forward on the right. Nicky Hunt managed to keep
up with Kewell merely by grabbing hold of his shirt which the ref
ignored because Kewell stayed up. It made the square ball to Gerrard
a non starter though and Kewell ended up shooting just wide.

The one worry towards the end of the game that we wouldn't take
three points was the introduction of Traore. The thought of him
coming in worried so many people around me. One even praying that
Benitez was merely giving him instructions to start the players bath
in the dressing room. He came on and played midfield in place of
Kewell which proved ok in the end.

The Reds saw the game out and another three points. With the United
game having followed soon after this one we knew later on that
perhaps one more win could see us through to that third spot. This
game won't go down as one of the most memorable on the pitch and the
crowd were pretty quiet too. As one text afterwards said to me it
had an end of season feel to it this one.

MotM : Robbie Fowler - on his birthday he scored but he also worked
so incredibly hard that surely he has earned at least another years
contract.

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Match Stats
Liverpool Bolton
53% Possession 47%
5 Shots On Target 3
9 Shots Off Target 3
2 Blocked Shots 1
3 Corners 2
6 Fouls 7
3 Offsides 5
1 Yellow Cards 1
0 Red Cards 0

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